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How does UAL remain in business?
This is a story we had to feature, for a number of reasons.
Like so many others, Mr. McCray was treated to UAL's finest in
customer disservice. After the first couple of attempts to elicit
a satisfactory response from the airline, he could easily, like most
ordinary passengers, have filed a Small Claims action, citing both the Montreal
Convention and UAL's negligence in failing to provide compensation
after the prescribed 21-day limit had passed, beyond which baggage is
considered "lost".
But Mr. McCray is a Premier Executive customer --
the airline's bread and butter -- and thus, not the kind of
passenger you'd want to offend if you're trying to stay in business.
Moreover, his correspondence made it very clear that he wouldn't be
placated by meaningless gestures (the perenially insulting "travel
certificates"... and it's even more ironic when this supposed "gesture
of concern" doesn't even arrive as promised!). No, Mr. McCray just
wanted his items returned (or failing that, their monetary value).
His communications with the very division that is supposed to help
Premier passengers simply passed the buck, sending Mr. McCray to talk to
the folks in India at the 1-800 number, while his letter to the top was
simply ignored.
And it gets better. Mr. McCray pointed out that his wife is an
attorney. In other words, when he intimates the possibility of legal
action, it's unlikely an idle threat. Regardless of whether you're a
CSR working minimum wage or a corporate
vice-president, you've got to realize that this guy should be taken
seriously. Unfortunately, UAL consistently manages to outdo its
reputation. Rather than deal with the complaint professionally,
someone, likely in corporate headquarters, made the foolish mistake of
trying to make the paperwork disappear. Forget about whether this is
legal... it's simply plain stupid. Mr. McCray is not going to go away
because "Oops, we don't seem to have any record of your baggage."
Is there any point in continuing to give UAL practical advice?
Nobody seems to be listening!
Here's Mr. McCray's story:
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United did a 3-way tag switch on us leaving OGG airport for PDX
via SFO on Oct 26th, 2007. I received passenger Margit Perry's claim
tag, Margit Perry received Jeremy Perdue's claim tag
(I've spoken several times to her). Both Margit and Jeremy received
their bags and United sent ours to who knows where.
- I realized United had given me the wrong claim tag during my
flight to SFO. I noticed that the tag was issued to Margit Perry and
for a flight arriving an hour later than ours at LAX. As soon as we
exited the plane I went straight to the United baggage area in SFO and
notified an agent there to call LAX and notify them to grab our bag
off of the carousel as soon as that flight arrived in LAX. I also
waited until the final bag came off the carousel in SFO. These two
flights were the only United flights leaving OGG that day, so the bag
had to be either on one of those flights or already misplaced or
stolen at the OGG airport.
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Upon arriving at PDX airport and the bag not showing up I filed a
claim report with the PDX United Baggage Claim.
Ed note: Personal details on the claim form have been blotted out
by Untied.com
They checked with both SFO & LAX and neither bothered to do any due
diligence on finding the bag. LAX was supposed to grab it off the
plane as it landed but didn't bother to do so either. The PDX United
agent worked with us for about 2 hours filling out the documentation,
entering comments into the record and calling around to other airports
to try to locate the bag. We went home empty handed.
- The next day I spoke to an agent at the 800 India based outsourced
service and they claimed they had found the bag in Las Vegas and it
would be delivered to us shortly. We later found that this was untrue
and they had never found a bag in Las Vegas matching our description.
- We filled out all of the baggage claim form information
identifying the bag's contents and faxed it to United as they
requested. They recorded receiving it on November 6th as per United
agents in PDX - of course United Corportate never bothered to keep in
touch with us.
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- United had promised to get in touch with passenger Margit Perry
several times to see if she happened to know anything about our bag as
well as if she had received her bag OK. United never kept that
promise and did not contact her. I did my own research and tracked
her down at her home near Los Angeles. She was very willing to talk
and confirmed that she had received her bag OK but that United gave
her Jeremy Perdue's claim ticket instead of her own.
- The next month was a significant pain as we wasted hours and hours
of our time trying to get in touch with someone at United who could
help us find our bag. The 800 India outsourced service didn't have a
clue and were useless. United Premier customer service refused to do
anything and pointed us back at the 800 service. Letters sent to
Glenn Tilton went unanswered. Calls to LAX, SFO and OGG airports were
futile. The only recourse we had was to drive an hour each way back
to the PDX airport (we made the trip about 6 times) and ask for help
from the representatives there face to face. They were very nice and
tried to be helpful but all of their research in the system and
calling other baggage locations was for not. We finally ran out of
time and had to return to Brazil so we updated all records with our
new information in Brazil.
- When we left the U.S. for Brazil there were over 200 comments in
our claim record (LBFRT3). Heidi Veeder, Kelly Pederson, Diana Geers,
Monica, Carol - the entire crew at PDX had helped us and they were
disgusted at the way we were being ignored by Corporate. At this same
time our record was switched from being locally controlled in PDX to
being taken over by XPW (Chicago). We used internal number
503.249.4280 to keep in contact with them, checking the status.
- I sent another hard copy of our full claim report via snail mail
on December 1st, along with a letter requesting United to get their
act in gear and settle the claim.
- I sent a
message
to United on Jan 2nd with the details of my issue and submitted
the same message to Untied.com. In the letter I threatened that "if
we don't receive a response soon we will respond with very public
legal action." A few days later, checking back with the PDX United
representatives they informed me that someone from United had not only
wiped out all 200+ comments out of my claim record but that the hard
copy documentation for my claim kept in their office at PDX that they
had been regularly referencing was now gone (2 months before standard
procedure). Calls to United to find out why were responded with the
typical "I don't know how this could have happened" response.
- On January 13th I filed a complaint with both the BBB and the
Board of Transportation. On January 15th I received a
typical "sorry, we're looking into it"
response from Keshaw Kishor of United Airlines Customer Relations.
This was just their way of getting their "check mark" that they
responded for the BBB to see. The BBB responded the next day saying
that United had replied and wanting to know if I wanted to close the
case.
Ed note: This is the part that bothers me. While we've come to expect
replies from UAL that simply cause already frustrated passengers to become
more frustrated, we'd hope for more from the supposed consumer watchdog
bureaus. The existence of the Better Business Bureau gives consumers
the false impression that there's recourse to a responsible consumer
advocate, watching out for the little guy. In reality, the BBB (and I've
had the dubious pleasure of dealing with several of their offices) is a
toothless, mindless organization that simply forwards consumer complaints
to the company and tabulates results, neither bothering to understand the
substance of the complaints nor verify whether there was a serious effort
to resolve the problem on the part of the company. We speculate that it's
largely due to the ineptitude of supposed consumer watchdog groups such
as the BBB that so many websites such as Untied.com came into existence
in the first place. At least they continue to indicate that UAL has an unsatisfactory
record, whatever that's worth.
I responded that their reply was
unacceptible and that they needed to resolve this immediately.
United's Keshaw Kishor reponded again to the BBB follow-up response on
January 29th with another "we're sorry,
we're looking into it" email - this time with a number to call.
This way they get another "check mark" for the BBB. I responded again
to the BBB on January 31st that this response was unacceptible.
- I called the number provided by United in their final email
(800.221.6903), which went to a 1K baggage claim desk. Lori attended,
saying that she was very sorry for the hassles and that she would
escalate the issue again with Chicago.
It is now nearly 100 days since United lost our bag, with no
resolution in sight and United getting away with illegal activity like
deleting records. We've spent several thousand dollars recoving all
articles lost in the bag as well as the bag itself, not to mention the
hours and hours of countless time we've wasted. I've been talking
with lawyers to prepare a case against United and would like to get
this case as public as possible.
Items demanded: Full replacement of baggage, contents therein and
additional expenses related to baggage lost by United Airlines on
October 26th, 2007 - $3,959.95
From: EliteCustomerCare3 Reply
Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2008 12:20 PM
To: brent mccray
Subject: RE: BBB Complaint Case#94160886(Ref#36-5446-94160886-4-300) -Ref#: 6717916C
Dear Mr. McCray,
I regret the inconvenience you experienced due to your lost baggage.
I have checked our records and I understand that you and your wife are disappointed due to the following:
- Quality of your dinner salad,
- Lost baggage,
- Expenses to buy some important things due to lost baggage
Please accept my apologies for your frustrating and unpleasant
experience. We realize that at times we are not doing as well as we
should in assisting our guests and we have no excuse for the baggage
problems you experienced. I have shared your comments with my
colleagues responsible for focusing on new methods to help make
checking baggage more reliable and ensuring your baggage travels with
you. Also, we want to understand how this experience felt from your
point of view, and follow up with our airport teams to ensure more
empathy and support in the future. We appreciate your candid feedback
very much as this allows us to share your experiences and to learn
from them.
While I can't undo the circumstances you and your wife experienced,
please accept a $200 travel certificate for both of you as a gesture
of our concern. The travel certificates will reach your mailing
address within 7-10 business days.
Further, I appreciate your request for reimbursement of the expenses
due to lost baggage and I have forwarded your concern to our Central
Baggage department for their handling. If you wish to contact them
directly, you may call them at 1-800-221-6903.
McCray, as a Premier Executive member of our Mileage Plus Program, you
are especially important to United. Please give us an opportunity to
provide you the service you expect from United Airlines.
Regards,
Keshaw Kishor
United Airlines Customer Relations
From: UAWebBaggage10 Reply
Date: Jan 16, 2008 7:26 AM
Subject: RE: BBB Complaint Case#94160886(Ref#36-5446-94160886-4-300) -Ref#: 6907964C
To: brent mccray
Dear Mr. McCray,
Thank you for taking the time to visit our web site. Our records
indicate your file is currently awaiting review by a claim
representative. Once your claim is concluded, we will notify you by
mail.
We appreciate your patience and apologize for any inconvenience we may
have caused you.
Regards,
Amanda Chakraborty
United Airlines Central Baggage Services.
From: Brent McCray
To: Better Business Bureau
Date: January 18, 2008
Subject: RE: BBB Complaint Case#94160886(Ref#36-5446-94160886-4-300) -Ref#: 6717916C
I thank you for getting at least some response from United, as they
refused to respond to me through the number of avenues I attempted.
I do not accept this particular response due to the following:
- This is a typical sorry, we're working on it email with no
resolution to the issue. The Central Baggage department later replied
with "we're reviewing your claim". They lost our bag 84 days
ago. Review time is long overdue and we need a resolution.
- Why would I want travel certificates from a company who treated us
so horribly as customers that we never want to fly their airline
again.
- They did not respond to the fact that United representatives went
in and deleted over 200 comments from our claim record. This fact can
be easily verified with a simple call to United employees. How can a
public company get away with illegal activity like this with no
repercussions?
Thank You,
Brent
From: EliteCustomerCare3 Reply
Date: Jan 29, 2008 5:30 AM
Subject: RE: BBB Complaint Case#94160886(Ref#36-5446-94160886-8-3100) -Ref#: 6717916E
To: brent mccray
Dear Mr. McCray,
The Better Business Bureau has forwarded your follow-up correspondence
to us to respond. I'm sorry to hear that you have still not received
a response from our Central Baggage department.
Please know that we strive hard to deliver exceptional service, this
also includes responding back to our customers on time, every time.
However, your message suggests that we failed to meet your
expectations on this occasion.
Mr. McCray, your disappointment nonetheless is understood, and I've
now contacted Central Baggage department again with the necessary
information and have requested them to expedite their research and
respond back to you. If you wish, you may contact them directly by
calling 1-800-221-6903 for immediate assistance.
In the meantime, we ask for your continued patience. As one of our
Premier Executive customers, we certainly want to continue to be your
carrier of choice.
Regards,
Keshaw Kishor
United Airlines Customer Relations
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